five years in prison for going to educational workshops as an elected official. and i have serious problems with these kind of issues, and i'd like to know what your position is on those issues, and i'd like to thank you for, um, your elaborate answer to my first question, because for me and my family, we cannot trace our history beyond our grandparents. so it is critically important that we educate our children and teach them who they are so they have more pride. >> host: let's leave it there. randall robinson. >> guest: i wish i could be more helpful to you on your second question, but i don't have enough understanding of the particular facts of the several cases to make a judgment. i would have to know more to form an opinion about whether there was or appears to be mistreatment or not. i just don't know enough, and i don't have any facts on these cases at all. >> host: in "quitting america," mr. robinson, you write: in any case america has all but ceased any pretends of effort on racial, domestic and social justice issue. even the empty words of the old promi